William and Marie Graves: “We Found the Right Church, All Right …”

I’m re-upping this post, originally published on 30 September 2015, because friends of William and Marie Graves have opened a GoFundMe account to raise a a stone over their graves in Oakland. Remembering how Marie contributed a dollar here and 15 cents there to the charitable funds of the Relief Society, perhaps you would like to honor her and her husband with your own donation to keep their names and lives in remembrance.

The memory of a story told long, long ago suggests that William Graves met the missionaries when he happened to drop by a street meeting being held in Oakland, California. We don’t know what appealed to William that day, or how he introduced his fiancee, Marie Benjamin, to the Church, but we do know that when William and Marie were married (a second marriage for both) in 1909, the officiator was a Latter-day Saint missionary, and one of the witnesses was that elder’s companion. Further evidence of the Graves’ apparently warm relationship with the missionaries is that the couple were not then members of the Church – their baptisms would not occur until two years later, in November 1911.

From the beginning, the couple participated actively in the Oakland branch. Two months after his baptism, William stood to bear his testimony in fast meeting. Two months after that, both William and Marie bore testimony. From then on, one or the other, or both, participated every month or two: “Sis Graves spoke of the Lord’s goodness to her, and enjoys the gospel more and more each day…” “Sister Graves .. bore [her] testimony to the truthfulness of the Gospel and the many blessings which [she] had received …”

Sometimes Marie requested that the congregation sing a hymn – “Guide Us, O, Thou Great Jehovah” was the first – to help her express her testimony. And from time to time, William spoke for the congregation when he was called on to close a meeting with prayer. The couple was fully involved in the life of their branch.

In 1920, William and Marie had an opportunity to travel to Atlanta, Georgia, for a visit – Marie (who was from Alabama) and William (a native of North Carolina) apparently had lived in Atlanta, because they had friends there. Marie later reported, “I had some friends I wanted to take to church [in Atlanta], because I did not know when I would have that opportunity.

“We found the right church, all right, but found the wrong people.”

When Marie and her friends, both women, entered the LDS chapel in Atlanta, they took seats in the back. When someone spoke to them, Marie told him that she was a member of the Church in Oakland. But “it seems like I had gone into a den of evil spirits, so bad was the feelings against us, because we was colored.”

The conference president (the missionary directing work in that area, equivalent to a stake president) asked Marie and her friends to step outside. “He told us of the line being between the colored and the white people, and [the] antagonist feeling among them, and the church being dedicated by the white people of the South. When he finished we said goodbye and left. We knew that meant for us to stay out of there.”

Marie was devastated. “I never had nothing to hurt me like that in all of my life. Had I known we would have been treated like that, I never would have tried to have gone to church there. I felt so much worse by my friends being with me, and seeing how mean they acted.”

The husband of one of her friends arrived a little late, and the women quickly decided not to tell him what had happened, but only that they had decided to go to another church. And all three “decided not to tell our husbands. We did not need any more company feeling bad with us.”

“After I was treated like this, I could not leave the South fast enough. I thought the Gospel was free for anyone that wanted to hear it. I did not know that it was like that down there.”

Regardless of this treatment, though, Marie could say “I have a testimony of the gospel just the same. The Lord has blessed me wonderfully, and I thank him for it.”

Marie meant it. Her testimony withstood her rejection in Atlanta. She and William returned to Oakland, and the record shows that they went on steadily bearing testimony and participating in their branch. Marie, a dressmaker with her own income, contributed regularly and generously to the charitable funds of the Relief Society – 96 years ago today, she donated $1.00 to the Relief Society, when the record shows that most others who donated that month gave only 25 cents each. Other times she couldn’t be quite so generous, but her contributions were steady: 25 cents one month, 10 cents the next, 15 cents the month after that. In 1921, shortly after her return from the South, Marie taught a lesson on health to the sisters of the Oakland Relief Society. Branch records don’t tell us nearly as much as we’d like to know, but what they do tell us is that both Marie and William did not let the Atlanta experience weaken their faith and commitment.

Marie remained faithful to her death in 1930 at age 52. William continued to attend Church after her death, in company with another woman, as yet unidentified but perhaps a daughter of his first marriage. He died in 1940, at about age 80. (Records give his birthdate anywhere from 1858 to 1863; although I have no evidence that he was born in slavery, his birth in North Carolina in that era suggests the possibility.)

William never held the priesthood in life. Marie and William could not have their marriage sealed in life. Their temple work was done for them in recent years.

Nowhere on their membership records or in any note I have found in branch minutes is there an indication of race.

-oooOooo-

That might be the end of the story of a couple who remained active and faithful under unusual and unfortunate circumstances. But there’s a little more.

About 18 months ago, Paul Reeve, with whom I had shared what I knew about the Graves, was reading Armand Mauss’s memoir Shifting Borders and a Tattered Passport. He stopped and reread a line at the point in the story where Armand detailed his early encounters with race and the Church. Then he emailed me.

What was the name of the black couple from California? [he asked. Armand] speaks of growing up in Oakland California and ‘an elderly black couple named Graves [who] regularly attended worship service in my ward, but no one could explain why they were there or why they did not participate much in the proceedings.’

I immediately thought of the couple you are working on, but I couldn’t recall their names. It would be too unlikely for it to be the same couple, but I had to ask.

I wrote to Armand that evening, telling him I thought I knew something about the Graves couple, and asking if he had any further memories he could share – I didn’t want to guide his memories so didn’t tell him any of what I had uncovered.

Less than four hours later, Armand responded. He had been only 12 when William died, so his memories were those of a child. Nevertheless, virtually everything he told me fit well with something I had found in the record.

I’m sure that he stood to bear his testimony at least a few times during the few years that I knew him (though I couldn’t tell you much of what he said). I remember being impressed at least once by an account of his conversion, which I think began with a street meeting in Oakland at which he happened to drop by while LDS missionaries were preaching. He was always in his seat early, before the sacrament meeting started at 10, and he always sat next to an aisle, most of the way toward the back, as I recall. I often greeted him before the meeting began, and he always returned a pleasant response. He was a lovely and gracious old man! How I would love to talk with him now!

You and me both.

There’s a not-to-be-missed sequel to this story, in this post.

Vicki Standing, a highly skilled genealogist with a specialty in African American research, contributed a great deal to my knowledge of the genealogical facts of William’s and Marie’s lives. Please let me put you in touch with her should you ever need such services. The involvement of Vicki, Armand, and Paul in uncovering this short story is a great illustration of the collaborative nature of historical research.

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18 thoughts on “William and Marie Graves: “We Found the Right Church, All Right …””

  1. The African American community in California fought early and often successfully to keep schools and other institutions integrated, and even in the 1920s the color line would not have been as stark in the East Bay or in most of California as in the South.

    That must have been a shocking trip in many regards if William and Marie hadn’t been back to the South for several decades, but to be wounded like that in a church that they thought was not segregated!

    Thank you for telling this story, Ardis.

    [Edit: by segregated, I meant Sunday services, and did not mean to downplay in any way the amount of faith it took for this couple to belong to the Church, even in Northern California.]

  2. A wonderful story, well told. And a terribly sad story too. It reminds me a bit of Mosiah 25, where the people who heard Alma’s story were alternately rejoicing and filled with sorrow.

  3. There are no words for the pain that I feel for Brother and Sister Graves. I take comfort knowing that God is merciful to those who suffer injustices, and I am confident that their reward in heaven is more than sufficient compensation for the injustices of mortality. And for those who excluded and oppressed this dear brother and sister while in mortality, well…God is a just God and he keeps score.

    Doctrine and Covenants 127:3

    3 Let all the saints rejoice, therefore, and be exceedingly glad; for Israel’s God is their God, and he will mete out a just recompense of reward upon the heads of all their oppressors.

  4. It might surprise people, Saints included, seeing the Graves standing on right hand of God. God judges all by their hearts and this couple were and are truly Saints. Great story. Yes the south, even Saints were prejudiced even up to and including last century. I remember being in Sherman, Texas (yes, Texas is part of the south)when the new revelation in 1978 came down. There where several old widows, whose husbands were part of the Klan, remarked how could the church give the Priesthood to those colored boys, what was the church thinking. Glad you shared this story with us.

  5. Wow! Terrific story you’ve shared, Ardis.

    I grew up in middle Georgia in the early 1990s. Our stake was Macon. My small branch was at least half black – all converts. I completely loved it! Still miss it and talk about my experiences to my kids all the time.

    My husband served his mission to Georgia around that same time period (ahem, that’s when we met) and can tell stories where it was still very much like the Graves’ experiences in Atlanta. There were a couple of areas where he served that church members were very much in the segregated mindset. It was awful!

  6. I suppose the awfulness of that experience is what makes the acceptance of the Oakland Branch and the steadiness of William and Marie so bright, by contrast. Marie’s account of that Atlanta visit was the first clue I had to her existence, and I could hardly wait to hit the Oakland minutes and membership records to find out whether, in fact, she had been able to withstand it. They both did, gracefully.

  7. What a great story, although so sad regarding their treatment in Atlanta. I knew a young man who served his mission in one of the Carolinas a year or so before the 1978 revelation. He sad the stake president stated publicly that he would leave the church if the priesthood was ever given to the blacks. I hope he has since repented.

  8. Great story; wonderfully told. It is gratifying to know that William and Marie now have their work completed. I think this story can also serve as a reminder that the choices we make in the face of extreme challenge can make a critical difference in the direction our lives take. Marie had tasted the sweetness of the gospel’s message and held true to it despite how she was treated in Atlanta.

  9. My husband lived in Baton Rouge, LA in 1978. The change in the priesthood ordination policy was announced on the national news midweek. That Sunday, one of the youth speakers started to refer to it, and the bishop stood up and stopped her and asked her not to speak about it as he hadn’t received official notice from SLC, so he didn’t know if it was actually true.

    About 3 weeks later, the missionaries showed up with a black family, mom, dad, 5 kids, from Plaquemine. It was about 40 miles away, but technically in the ward. They arrived about 3 minutes late, and the only available seating was the front row, so they marched up and sat down. Ralph watched from the back and saw that no one flinched or left. After the meeting, the bishop came down and introduced himself and shook their hands.

    A year or two later, this father, now a member, was called to preside over the new Palquemine Dependent Branch, with the just-released bishop as one of his counselors.

    People can change as they learn.

  10. There is a comment in the film “Nobody Knows” about the history of Blacks in the Mormon Church, that comes to mind. A black sister is her feelings about the “theories” advanced by some, in “former times” that blacks were denied the blessings of the Temple and the Priesthood because they had been less valiant fence-sitters in the pre-existence. Her response was something to the effect that “l don’t believe we were fence-sitters or less valiant. We have endured slavery and oppression, exploitation and abuse for ages. I think we were the ones tough enough to volunteer to be those who were prepared to suffer in order to purify the Church.”

  11. My mother read this story and remembers as a child her Dad (in the Berkeley Ward), talking about a black couple that attended the Oakland Ward and sat on the front row.

  12. Ardis:
    Thanks for re-upping this post and including the GoFundMe link. My only comment is that I was surprised at No.16, above, since during my entire childhood I never saw the Graves couple sit on the front row, or even in the front half of the chapel. That was something that seemed noteworthy to me at the time for some reason. I recognize that this is a trivial contribution to the story, but it does illustrate the problem of “dueling memories” in historical reconstructions.

  13. Ardis,

    Thanks for reposting this. I missed both your original post, and Paul Reeve’s amazing follow up, mostly because I was adjusting to a new job at and not spending much time in the Bloggernacle then. Trying to make up for lost time, and this story brought me to tears during my lunch break today. Hiding until the emotions pass. Wonderful, wonderful.

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