[Newcomers to Keepa: This is a discussion about verifying the legitimacy of quotations attributed to LDS leaders, not an invitation to discuss politics. All purely political commentary is removed.]
You’ve probably seen this meme, thrown into a discussion by someone reminding the participants that reading shouldn’t necessarily be believing.
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The tendency to accept bogus statements as genuine quotations seems to be especially rampant in Mormonism – at least, the misattributed statements that come to my notice are most often misattributed to Mormon figures. This habit of sharing the counterfeit seems to me to have a particularly pernicious effect among us, because many such “quotations” are not merely wise thoughts expressed with felicitous language, but appear to carry prophetic authority.
I suppose most such false attributions begin innocently enough: A speaker quotes someone else in a speech, and a meme-maker carelessly attributes the quotation to the speaker rather than to its original source. Somebody thinks a statement sounds like something a prominent figure might have said, and not caring or knowing how to find verification, sloppily attributes that statement to him. Somebody retells a story he heard about a prominent figure, and some listener polishes the paraphrase into a pithy summary – and voilà – a “quotation” is born.
It isn’t always easy to trace the route by which a counterfeit “quotation” enters the culture – usually online culture, but then spreading more widely through the use of handouts for Relief Society, statements made in Elders Quorum … – but it is easy enough to estimate the validity of a supposed quotation before you spread it.
The difficulty in writing about these things, though, is that I have to give examples, and we run the danger of those examples planting themselves in the back of your mind so that later on, having forgotten just what you read, you give added credibility to a false statement because it is somehow familiar. Be careful out there!
Example 1: “If you vote for the lesser of two evils …”
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This one is making the rounds of Facebook right now. Is it an authentic quotation, with the weight of prophetic authority behind it?
The first step in tracking questioned quotations is recognizing their questionability in the first place.
Does it sound like something the purported author would say? Well, maybe; President Benson’s concern for the American political process, together with his abiding belief in God’s guiding hand in the course of American history, give a certain plausibility to the statement.
But is the quotation too perfect? That is, does this statement from the past fit today’s needs a little too perfectly? What’s happening right at this moment when you read that meme? An election, with two front runners whom many Latter-day Saints despise, leaving many of those Latter-day Saints searching for alternate possibilities.
If you consider both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton to be evils, doesn’t this “quotation” bolster your friends’ urging you to consider a third-party candidate as the only righteous choice? It’s that perfection-to-the-moment that ought to raise your suspicions just a little bit.
In trying to pin down the reliability of a supposed quotation, Google is your best friend. Google “Ezra Taft Benson” with some distinctive phrase from the meme – “lesser of two evils,” say, “or “worst possible candidate.” Your search results will vary from mine depending on which words you choose, but almost certainly a quick scan of hits will reveal these:
** Multiple “quote book” websites or Pinterest pins that repeat the supposed quotation with an attribution to Ezra Taft Benson, but without any pointer to a speech or book or other original source. Ignore these sites. For purposes of validating a quotation, they are worthless.
** An absence of the appearance of this quotation in sources during Ezra Taft Benson’s lifetime. This isn’t an entire deal-breaker – it’s possible for new papers to come to light after a person’s death – but the longer a person has been dead, the more careful you should be. What are the chances that a new document written by George Washington or Abraham Lincoln is going to surface in, say, 2001, carrying an eminently quotable line that just happens to speak to today’s hot issues? When that does happen, it will be in the news, and Google will point you to it.
In the case of our Ezra Taft Benson “quotation,” its first appearance seems to have been in 2012 – an election year, and therefore somewhat suspicious for our purposes – where the statement is not called a “quotation” but is said to be “loosely associated” with President Benson. In the intervening years, that “loose association” has morphed into a firm claim of authorship.
** You may not be the first person to wonder whether a statement is authentic. In this case, Google returns hits from others who have been searching for its origins. Take advantage of their discoveries. In this case, the statement, or some form of it, seems to have originated in a political campaign, with words lifted from a claimed personal letter from Ezra Taft Benson to a candidate, distributed by that candidate’s opponents. This should raise all kinds of red flags: Why would Ezra Taft Benson be sharing these thoughts with a young, unknown future politician? (He might, but you don’t find him sharing those thoughts in public or with other known private correspondents.) Did the personal letter ever exist? (Maybe it did/does, but it hasn’t been published, to date.) The lines were made public by the candidate’s political opponents – is the statement a fair representation of the letter’s words, or was it skewed in the political interest of its distributors? (Nobody knows – nobody has seen the letters.)
So is the statement a legitimate quotation from the writing or speech of Ezra Taft Benson? It appeared out of nowhere, under questionable circumstances, and no credible, checkable source is known. While we may not know its precise origins, there is too much doubt and no support for it. If you care about authenticity, don’t spread this one, even if it fits neatly into your political viewpoint.
Example 2: “I would educate my daughters …”
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This meme, attributed to Brigham Young, has flown around the ether in the past few months. It’s wonderful, isn’t it? Brigham Young, who is already known to have spoken favorably of the education and employment of women, is now championing the education of girls above that of boys. Not equal to, but superior to … if he had to make a choice, at least.
But is it authentic?
It may be hard to believe when you look at the vastness of the Journal of Discourses, and know that many of Brigham Young’s talks appeared in the newspapers even if they weren’t selected for the Journal of Discourses, and have heard how extensive his correspondence was – I say, it may be hard to believe that scholars have pored over all of those sources, compiling all of the known words of Brigham Young. It’s what we do. Such research projects are massive, true, and you may not want to undertake them, but for some of us, this is what. we. do. So if some meme-maker has a Brigham Young quotation, reason tells us that the scholars should have the same quotation.
Google it. Google “Brigham Young” with one or another of the distinctive phrases. Do you see the statement appearing in any print source before the internet age? One place, and we’ll get to that in a moment. But does it appear in the known writings or speeches of Brigham Young? There is no evidence of that on the internet. That should always, always be a giveaway. Things that should have been known for many decades, but which suddenly appear in the 21st century attached to the name of an historical figure, are almost without exception false. Brigham Young did speak favorably of women’s education, but the explosive idea in this “quotation” – that it would be more important to educate girls than boys, if some magical circumstance prevented the education of all – appears nowhere in the known words of Brigham Young.
Not only that, but the concept is absent from Brigham’s lived history. He sent many of his sons gifted with special talents to universities in the East, even to West Point, for specialized, full-bodied education, the best to be had in North America. His daughters received ordinary elementary education, and a few of them received musical training in the East, but none of his daughters, intelligent and gifted though many of them were, received anything like the formal education provided to his sons. Even if the quotation were authentic, I’d be skeptical of its value, under those circumstances.
Beyond the “quotation’s” sudden appearance, there’s another suspicious clue to recent origin, one that often appears in these sketchy claims. That term opportunity constraints is weird. It doesn’t sound like Brigham Young. It doesn’t sound like the 19th century at all. It sounds like professional or academic vocabulary of recent origin. Sure enough, the use of Google’s N-Gram viewer – a program that counts the appearance of words and phrases in enormous libraries of printed material from at least 1800 – very clearly demonstrates the recent origin of that term:
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A few paragraphs up, I mentioned one appearance of this purported Brigham Young statement before the internet age. That was an April 1988 talk by Gordon B. Hinckley, printed in the Ensign the following September, in which he said: “The story is told that Brigham Young was once asked what he would do if he had to choose between providing education for his sons or for his daughters. He replied that he would educate his daughters because they would become the mothers of his grandchildren.” No source citation is provided. It is not presented as a direct quotation, but as a third-person paraphrase.
Where did then-Elder Hinckley find that story? I don’t know – his telling of the story doesn’t change the fact that neither the story nor the supposed quotation appear in Brigham Young’s known body of work. The year 1988 evidently precedes the date when General Authorities called upon librarians in the Church History Library to help with citations. Perhaps it was folk history, or perhaps he was relying on a memory of other statements he had heard that kinda sorta approximated what he attributed to Brigham Young. In 1975, for instance, Dallin H. Oaks, then president of Brigham Young University, gave a talk on Women and Education, in which he quoted Harold B. Lee:
Some have observed that the mother’s vital teaching responsibility makes it even more important to have educated mothers than to have educated fathers. “When you teach a boy, you are just teaching another individual,” President Harold B. Lee declared, “but when you teach a woman or a girl, you are teaching a whole family.” (Relief Society Magazine, January, 1965, p. 8.)
That Gordon B. Hinckley’s 1988 talk is the direct source for the dummied quotation seems evident when you compare the end of his sentence, “…because they would become the mothers of his grandchildren” to the rest of the bogus quotation that often appears in textual quotations but not in visual memes, like the one illustrating this post: “… You educate a man, you educate a man. You educate a woman; you educate a generation.”
If the 1988 talk is the origin for the meme, then someone has taken what was manifestly not a quotation, and has written words which he puts in Brigham Young’s mouth.
Be careful out there.
UPDATE, 17 October:
A week ago, I wrote a post featuring memes supposedly quoting LDS authorities. Keepa readers, true to their track record of superior comments, understood that the purpose of the post was to learn strategies for evaluating comments, and you didn’t argue at all about whether or not you agreed with the purported quotations.
That post was quickly plundered by so-called “journalists,” including a TV reporter and two online LDS magazines, who broadcast/posted the unreliable ETBenson meme, announcing that according to “their” research, the quotation was unreliable. Representatives of those publications tell me they did not take anything from Keepa, but instead did their own “research” on each others’ sites in an incestuous cycle where they’re all copying from each other and denying taking anything from Keepa. Well, somebody had to start the story, none of them claim originality, and their stories all appeared a day or two after Keepa’s post and its valuable comments from readers.
For the record, I’m not upset that they robbed from Keepa without acknowledgment – I’m used to that. Happens all the time, especially with one of the online LDS magazines. Doesn’t make it right, just familiar.
What does bother me is what happens every time they do that. They strip the importance out, and leave just the sensational husk. In this case, they stripped out the caution against blindly accepting internet memes, and they stripped out the lesson on how to determine the legitimacy of a quotation. What was left was the ambiguous “He said this in a private meeting,” which opened up the way for their readers to ignore any deeper point and merely argue with whether or not Ezra Taft Benson was correct when he said this thing which there is little reason to believe he said. (Also for the record, I’ve never said that the rememberer lied about his visit with Ezra Taft Benson. Instead, I note the unreliability of a 44-year-old unsupported memory.)
Keepa readers are smarter than the followers of too many other LDS sites. You always are. Keep it up.
By the way, please do not use the political meme as an excuse for electioneering of any sort. I will remove any such comments.
I guess I will have to be a little more careful as I go around saying, “Well, according to my friend Ardis . . . it’s this way.”
Yes!
“Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.” (a quote not really by Mark Twain)
Oh, boy! I’m going to post this link in the comments whenever I see these memes.
So we’re not having a false meme contest?
I’ve often seen two quotes attributed to Brigham Young.
1) If you educate a man you educate an individual, but if you educate a woman you educate a generation (family or nation). Actually an African proverb.
2) Even a old barn looks better if it’s painted (referring to girls and make-up). Many have said this including, as I recall, Henry Ward Beecher who lived and preached at roughly the same time as B. Young.
Sometimes, tracking down the quote is more interesting than the quote itself.
The apocryphal Ezra Taft Benson quote’s origin is one “Mike Thompson” who recalled the quote in 2009 from a personal conversation he allegedly had with Benson in 1972 or 1973.
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/zion-list/jGGZQ5-TEac/DSROng5Yt_sJ
And see the comments here, which basically say “the only person who can confirm if this is true or not is Mike Thompson”: http://www.ldsliberty.org/why-you-vote-for-someone-matters/
The source of the quote in #1 is this 2009 post by Mike Thompson on a public email list:
Mike Thompson is actually in my ward, and I believe his account. You’ll note that it significantly predates the 2012 campaign email you referenced as the earliest source you could track down. However, since the wording is what Mike remembers from a private conversation years earlier, I don’t think the quote should be considered authoritative.
Ardis, this is awesome. Thank you for giving such a clear and concise lesson.
Is there a like button? No comment other than “like” and “more please.”
Thank you, Ardis, for researching these memes and for your wise words. Very, very helpful.
I’ve been telling people for months that the ETB quote is unreliable. Thanks for the additional info on it.
I saw a quote from ETB on Facebook that referenced your blog post. Apparently he likes it. 🙂
This is why keepa is one of the very best.
A Mike Thompson (presumably the same talked about in comment 8) posted this on his Facebook page Yesterday (October 10, 2016) at 1:09 pm, for further reference.
“Alright Friends, I have thought long and hard about things, a lot of things, and it has just come time that I have to say something. I once met with Pres. Benson, in Oct. 1972, in his office in the Church Office Building. There are things going around about that conversation, and I want to clear some things up. Pres. Benson told me, in a private conversation, “Mike, if you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil, and you will be judged for it . . . “. It has come to my attention that people are using this to beat up on others, to denigrate them, to make them feel as if they are less than others. I was there with Pres. Benson, and I know he would be horrified at this. This is not at all what he meant. And, I do adhere to what Pres. Hinckley said in his great talk: “War and Peace,” “Political differences NEVER justify hatred or ill will.” Each of us is on a path to eternity, and each of us is at a different place, and gets our own personal inspiration and revelation. Each of us gets inspiration for ourselves on these issues, and each of us defines what is evil differently. Not one of us is perfect: I certainly am not, and I admit it. This is our agency, friends, our freedom and liberty which comes only from our Savior. Let us worry a little more about each of us being where the Savior wants us to be, and not criticizing anyone else. God bless all of you. Remember what Jesus said: “Love thy neighbor as thyself.” This means democrats, republicans, libertarians, Constitution party, Independent American party, Green Party, every party. If we had more love, we could more easily live by correct principles.”
Thanks, BC, Eric, and Carl for the additional information on Mike Thompson and his report.
We’re actually talking about two related questions: Where did the statement originate, and how does someone confronted with a meme like this determine whether it is an authentic statement by the man who is credited with being its author.
All of this background goes to the origin of the statement — Mike Thompson is the politician I referred to in the post. I did not use his name, although his name was easily found in Googling, because I did not think using his name added anything to the evaluation: I don’t know him — Eric, whom I also don’t know, says he does — so as far as authentication goes, this is the equivalent of “a guy I talked to has a cousin whose home teacher told him that Ezra Taft Benson said …”
None of this background affects the question of the statement’s verifiability:
The statement does not appear in speeches or writings that can be documented as coming from Ezra Taft Benson.
The reported conversation first appears in 2009, not in 2012, squarely in the internet age and well after the 1994 death of the purported speaker. The suspicion of its connection to an election year is removed … but if you follow the link provided in Eric’s comment, you find the source to be a highly political, highly partisan, discussion — the kind that is so one-sided and filled with hate and false accusations about Democrats as a class (note: I am not a Democrat) and about the sitting president in particular, that I reject everything in it as too partisan to be considered as even possibly accurate. It is not an informative conversation, but an ugly one that I cannot stomach.
And finally, most damning of all as far as credibility goes, the meme depends on the memory of one man, a memory now 44 years old, which has no outside support — the speaker doesn’t even claim to have made notes in his diary to prompt his memory today.
The only thing unusual about this meme is that its author steps up to claim it as his own. Nevertheless, the reasoning of this post stands: It has no more reliability, no more verifiability, than the silly Abraham Lincoln “quotation” which opened this post.
This comment does not give license to anyone to debate politics, even to support or contradict what I have written here (as the blog’s owner, I have rights that I don’t extend to visitors, just as you do in your own home), or to defend or rebuke the maker of the untenable meme.
The topic of this post is how to vet a questionable meme that purports to come from some prominent LDS figure. Comments and suggestions on that topic are welcome. Thanks for your participation.
One of the challenges we face as Latter-day Saints is that if something was actually uttered by a prophet, we can’t casually discount it. No one wants to be guilty of ignoring a prophetic warning. On the other hand, we are not obligated to act on everything somebody tells us that they think they heard someone say that a prophet said.
My mother-in-law swears that in a stake conference in the deep South about 40 years ago she heard President Kimball speak out against organ donation. She has been strictly against organ donation of any kind ever since. (Well, we donated a decommissioned church organ to a little hispanic church, but we didn’t even tell her about that.)
When I pointed out that I never heard such a warning anywhere else, she said that it was probably because the church knew it would be unpopular, so it was only being shared with the very faithful. She said, “What if you have been endowed in the temple and then you died and your heart was given to a murderer? What would that make you?”
I thought, “What if you lived a sinless life and sacrificed yourself for sinners, but they rejected your sacrifice completely? What would that make you?”
In my own family, I see the misattribution happening. My daughter is a Volunteer in Russia. The mother of another Volunteer made a joke about our kids being RV’s instead of RM’s after they come home. I repeated that to my family, and now they are all quite convinced that my daughter said it. I’ll have to warn her about it before she gets home.
Another fact worth noting is that whatever Ezra Taft Benson may have said in October 1972, even were it official and authenticated, was not a statement by the president of the church. In 1972, Harold B. Lee was president of the church, and Ezra Taft Benson was still “Elder Benson,” not “President Benson.”
I went through this with my money quote from Brigham Young for my article about the 1873 Arizona mission. My footnote for the quote ran to multiple pages, so it got published as an appendix. End result, it might have been, seems likely, but had all the problems listed here: Many years after the fact, a personal recollection by someone in their old age, couldn’t find it in any of Young’s recorded sermons or letters, and seemed oddly out of context. However, there was enough evidence to indicate that it MIGHT have been, but could never be established beyond doubt. ~sigh~
Ardis’s comment at 16 is a mini master class in evaluating historical data. (And LauraN’s comment at 17 about decommissioned organ donations made me smile out loud.)
Im no expert, another issue I see with the BY quote: at that time, education of ones children was not seen as a mother’s purview. It was the father’s responsibility to oversee the education and professional training of his sons and daughters (if he decided they should receive an education).
While it makes sense that he would encourage the decision to educate daughters (in addition to the obvious education of ones sons). It doesn’t make a lot of sense that he would encourage the hypothetical education of daughters over sons as a way to extend that education to the children because mothers didn’t oversee education! The idea that a mother takes the lead role in her children’s education is a modern one.
Here’s a common misquotation from Abraham Lincoln that President Uchtdorf used in the April 2016 General Conference priesthood session: “Most people are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.” There is no record of Lincoln saying this. It first appeared in 1914. When I heard it I knew it sounded much too cheery for Lincoln.
There is also the statement attributed to Jesus found written on plaques and used in Sacrament Meeting talks, something like “I never said it would be easy, but it would be worth it.” Who started that, does anyone know?
Thank you so much Ardis for these posts. We use them all the time when talking with certain family members who like to pass on the wonderful new things they heard from friends in their wards. (Not Amy, of course.)
Maurine #24–I’ve been thinking about that quote that is frequently bandied around. Some people do seem to be quite convinced that since they have seen the quotation next to a picture of Jesus, it must have been Jesus who said it, even if they can’t quote chapter and verse. Sigh.
Thanks for posting this. Sorry it has been stolen.