20 thoughts on “Latter-day Saint Images, 1935”

1. I wondered what on earth “vanball” was, and found nothing useful on the first few pages of Google results, and then this appeared in a biography of L. Tom Perry:

   As an Explorer Scout, Elder Perry played vanball, a modified form of volleyball.

   No telling how it was modified.

2. Mark, I’ve been wanting to do a post on vanball for a couple of years now. I’ve collected pictures, and stories of the boys playing, and the rules … but the rules don’t really tell how it was played! They’re just about the size of courts and the number of boys on a team and that sort of thing — nothing about actually playing the game. Really frustrating.

3. We played a game in junior high school (in the late 60s) that was similar to volleyball but the net was lower and you could let the ball bounce–just once, if I remember correctly. I don’t remember what we called it, but it wasn’t vanball.

4. I love the adult hobby show. It looks like the “hobbies du jour” back then were lampshades and flower arranging, which were eventually replaced with giant glass grapes and tole painting.

5. Ardis, Do you think B. Dwaine Madsen is Brigham D. Madsen?

6. I just spent a few minutes looking at the sources on the Catawba. There is a thesis “A Study of the Influence of the Mormon Church on the Catawba Indians of South Carolina 1882-1975” (entire thesis available for download at the bottom left) written by Jerry Lee in 1976 and it looks pretty good but I don’t have time to read it right now. There is also some other literature on the topic, but this one would be the major source for the Catawba members of the church.

   Chester Harris is shown in the picture above. The Harris family seems to have been one of the prominent families in the tribe. Eight of the Catawba Chiefs serving between 1877 and 1962 were named Harris.

7. I never thought of that, Gary! Could be (I’ll check the missionary index and get back to you).

8. Yup, that’s Brig Madsen all right.

9. I like the G&G ball photos. I’ll look for a post about that shortly after the one about vanball.

10. My husband’s grandmother may be one of those Beehive Girls in Rotterdam! Would it be possible for you to email me a larger copy of that photo? Thanks!

11. Sure, mahana. I have internet access only through my Kindle at the moment, though, so it will have to wait for a day or two.

12. Amy: I can verify that the Harris name is quite prominent amongst the Catawba Tribe, at least the SC division though I understand it is prevelant in the Colorado division too. The cemetary next to the Catawba Ward building near Rock Hill, SC has dozens of Harris family headstones. The Beck, Blue and the Wade families are also strongly represented. Many members of the tribe are faithful Latter-day Saints, though there are those who are separating themselves. It was my pleasure to serve alongside these good brothers and sisters in my last Stake, and got to attend Church in the Catawba building for two years.

13. The Lee Thesis is not a good source if you are looking for good work, he did a poor job of reading the old handwritting. Being a direct descendant and current Catawba genealogist, I corrected his mistakes, since I am related to those he wrote about. My paternal uncle was the first Lamanite Patriarch ordained in the Church. I do not understand why people I contributed information to, are cited as Gospel sources and I am never mentioned.
    Chester Harris had no children, and he also had another companion named Clint Adair, which I am including in my 4th book of Catawba Genealogy. All my books are in the FHC and the Church Historical Department.
    Judy Canty Martin

14. Judy,

    Thanks for your comments here and on the Southern States history chapter on the Catawbas on my blog.

    And thank you for the work you’ve done on the history of the Tribe and your family history. Compiling a reliable, detailed record of a family like yours is a great service to the history of the Church.

    And, about the inadequate sourcing of family contributions to historical projects: that is a regular ongoing problem. The history community does need to learn how to use and source these contributions adequately. I can think of a few contemporary, published Mormon historians I dislike citing precisely because of this issue.

    Anyway, keep up the good work!

15. # 5 Photo of Brigham D Madsen and Chester Harris of the SC Conference.

16. Please don’t count on Jerry Lee’s thesis for much more than cursory information. I am a Catawba descendant of the people who he wrote about, and he was wrong in translation of names as he was right. Sorry Brother Lee, but he evidently couldn’t translate the old writting and as an outsider did not know the people who he was writting about.
    Judy Canty Martin

17. Auckland, New Zealand
    Gleaner Girl Basketball Team
    My mother is the mascot in this photo and her 2 older sisters are there too Birgette Jensen (to my mothers right or 2nd from the left) and Marie Jensen who is first on the left top row.
    In NZ it is called Netball and this is the Epsom Girls Grammar School as that is where they stayed. 1935-36? All 3 faithful to the end.

18. What a wonderful comment, john! Thanks for what you’ve added here.

19. StacyMae Webb added 15 new photos — celebrating book publishing with Judy Martin at Backintyme.biz.
    September 25 at 4:36am · Crofton, KY ·
    Biting My Fingernails….Any minute we will be live with the new Backintyme Pub book,We Are All Catawba, A Complete Genealogy of My Daddy’s Catawba Ancestors. Watch for the announcement soon, and congratulations to Judy Martin and Shirley Hamblin. The book is a massive work at more than 600 pages of Catawba genealogy and history of those who removed with the Mormon Church into the western states including, New Mexico and Texas from the Catawba Reservation Lands in South Carolina. Judy has compiled documents, research, photos, and older group photos, genealogy and detailed information on extended lines (Carolyn Dyess Bales)
    Besides the shared heritage and biological ties to the tribe.It should also be interesting to the Nash/Ash Redbone families, and the Melungeon families as our great great was the Indian trader among the Catawba’s for George Washington.
    The book is amazing, and we so hope you enjoy it~
    Here is a sneak peek at the TOC
    ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS I
    ABOUT THE AUTHOR II
    FOREWORD XIV
    PREFACE XVII
    INTRODUCTION XVIII
    TABLE OF CONTENT XXI
    CHAPTER 1 EARS-AYERS FAMILY 1
    CHAPTER 2 BECK FAMILY 29
    CHAPTER 3 BLUE FAMILY 55
    CHAPTER 4 BROWN FAMILIES 109
    CHAPTER 5 BULLIN OR BULLEN FAMILY 147
    CHAPTER 6 CANTY FAMILY 149
    CHAPTER 7 DUDGEON FAMILY 221
    CHAPTER 8 GEORGE FAMILY 223
    CHAPTER 9 HAGLER FAMILY 263
    CHAPTER 10 ALLEN HARRIS FAMILY 279
    CHAPTER 11 PETER HARRIS FAMILY 353
    CHAPTER 12 HEAD FAMILY 415
    CHAPTER 13 JOE FAMILY – PROW – FROW 447
    CHAPTER 14 KEGG FAMILY 451
    CHAPTER 15 KENNEDY FAMILY 455
    CHAPTER 16 MARSH – MURSH – MUSH FAMILY 457
    CHAPTER 17 NETTLES FAMILY 475
    CHAPTER 18 NEW RIVER OR NEWRIVER FAMILY 477
    CHAPTER 19 PATTERSON FAMILY 479
    CHAPTER 20 QUASH FAMILY 535
    CHAPTER 21 RED HEAD OR REDHEAD FAMILY 537
    CHAPTER 22 SCOTT FAMILY 539
    CHAPTER 23 STEPHENS – STEVENS FAMILY 545
    CHAPTER 24 TIMS FAMILY 547
    CHAPTER 25 WATTS FAMILY 553
    CHAPTER 26 WHITE FAMILY 579
    GROUP PHOTOS:
    Blue Family Reunion 54
    Catawba Branch 1926 148
    Older Reservation Photo 1918 Morman Ladies Group 220
    Catawba Branch 1932 South Carolina 222
    Catawba Group From Travis Blue 454
    Catawba Branch (picture from Tom Blumer) 474
    Map Catawba Indian Reservation 456
    Older Reservation Photo Ladies Relief abt 1900 476
    LEFT half of the Catawba Branch 1926 536
    RIGHT half if the Catawba Branch 1926 536
    DOCUMENTS 588
    BIBLIOGRAPHY 600
    We Are All Catawba: Complete Genealogy of My Daddy’s Catawba Ancestors
    Authored by Judy Martin, Edited by Shirley Hamblin
    List Price: $25.00
    8.5″ x 11″ (21.59 x 27.94 cm)
    Black & White Bleed on White paper
    630 pages
    Backintyme Publishing
    ISBN-13: 978-0939479535
    ISBN-10: 0939479532
    BISAC: History / Native American
    I began this project when I was in grade school. I knew we were Catawba, but when I went to school, it became obvious that I was different than my classmates. So I looked up Catawba in our new 50’s World Books and it said it was a grape. It took more years and more research to find that indeed there was a homeland in South Carolina and that there were lots of Cantys, Scotts and other names I knew from my own genealogy. So, after marrying and collecting my husband’s genealogy which was vast, I turned to the Catawba research, along with my mother’s genealogy, I collected and collected. Genealogy became my life’s work besides my kids and husband and other family activities. I became a professional genealogist, or at least I got paid for some, and this enabled me to continue on into the computer era. So that is how I came from a grape to a Catawba daughter, wife and mother of today.
    Front Cover plus other titles from Backintyme Publishing at http://www.backintyme.biz
    Upcoming Titles: Look for more from Judy Martin, Breaking the House of Pamunkey, by Lars Adams, The Goins Book I & II, The Redbone Chronicles II both by Various author descendants and others.
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20. Congratulations, Judy. Glad to hear that that’s in print!

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